In the beginning of the book, Hit Count, Lloyd Brodie asks Arlo Brodie if it is bad to like football for hitting, and if it makes Lloyd a bad person. Arlo disagrees that it makes Lloyd a bad person, but he agrees that Lloyd needs to change the way he plays the game. The next day, at football practice, the football coach called Lloyd a career jay-vee player, and Lloyd took it to heart. Shortly after coach called him a career jay-vee player Lloyd quit football for good. Arlo still had the love for football, so he kept playing and practicing, and he made the jay-vee team as a freshman.